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The Duke pre-NBA nursery program rolls into December.


Michigan State - Tuesday, November 29, 9:30pm ET, ESPN (ACC/Big Ten Challenge presented by DICK's Sporting Goods)

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As is his custom, the mastermind Tom Izzo has instructed his players to play poorly in the beginning of the season, saving their best play for the NCAA Tournament. This coaching strategy has worked quite well in the past - Izzo, like his closest historical peers Coach K and John Wooden, has won at least one national championship - and it would surprise nobody if this Michigan State season culminates in another successful blowout loss to North Carolina in the Final Four.

Michigan State has played against the #20 strength of schedule, so their 4-3 record is not a complete disaster. However, they have lost to every decent team they have faced, except their most recent opponent, Wichita State. They were blown out by kenpom #5 Kentucky and #10 Baylor on neutral courts. They held on for a one-point win at home over kenpom #85 Florida Gulf Coast. Duke should be heavily favored at home, even if three of Duke's most talented players are still hibernating for the NBA.

Michigan State is #31 overall on kenpom, with a balanced offense (#31) and defense (#38). They shoot a lot of 3s (#53 3pt attempt rate, 43%) and they shoot them well (#54 3pt%, 39%). They don't get to the line (#286 FT attempt rate, 29%), which may be a good thing, because they don't make their free throws (#328 FT%, 60%). This should be another one of those Duke games where Twitter stupidly erupts over a drastic free throw discrepancy that should be entirely expected. The most distinctive weakness of this Michigan State team is that they have no regard whatsoever for turnovers, as they rarely force them on defense (#342 defensive turnover rate, 12%) and freely commit them on offense (#292 offensive turnover rate, 19%).

Freshman 6-7 230lb forward Miles Bridges (pictured above with an unknown player) is Michigan State's most talented and most important player. Bridges was the #12 overall recruit on the 247sports composite rankings. Duke doesn't have a great answer for him defensively, since Duke is not willing to play any future NBA small forwards with the kind of length that would bother him. Bridges carries a huge burden for Michigan State, leading the team with 32 minutes per game and 30% usage and often playing out of position, taking a physical beating from opposing centers due to Michigan State's lack of depth in the frontcourt. Izzo can feel comfortable risking injury to his prodigious freshman, since he is barely in the top 20 in the DraftExpress mock draft and therefore not as valuable a human being as Duke's precious freshmen.

There is a lot of great and some terrible with Bridges. On paper, an easy comparison for what Bridges could become is the college version of Justise Winslow. Bridges' overall efficiency (100 offensive rating) is poor, mainly due to terrible free throw shooting (55%) and a high turnover rate (18%), though low efficiency is somewhat understandable with his high usage. Bridges shoots reasonably well from everywhere except the line - 62% at the rim, 42% from midrange and 40% from 3. His shot selection is fine - only 20% of his shots are from midrange. He rebounds a little bit better than Winslow did (probably due to playing center for at least a few minutes every game), with a 7.1% offensive rebounding rate and a 20% defensive rebounding rate. He blocks a lot of shots for his size, with a 4.9% block rate. If Bridges can improve his free throw shooting to a respectable level for a small forward, like freshman Winslow's 64%, he would be a good overall offensive player. If he can defer to his teammates more, which should result in easier shots and fewer turnovers, he may put up great efficiency numbers. Winslow also suffered from trying too hard to carry Duke's offense toward the beginning of his freshman season, and when Winslow's usage dipped to smarter levels, his efficiency improved dramatically. Duke fans should hope the light doesn't go on for Bridges in this game.

Here's what Michigan State's best lineup is expected to look like:

PG Lourawls "Tum Tum" Nairn, 5-10 170lb, junior
When looking at Nairn's stats as a freshman, before Duke's Final Four game against Michigan State, it seemed possible that the world would never see a worse rotation player in the Final Four. While Nairn may never live up to the quality of each of his names, he has become a borderline good player as a junior, which is a minor miracle considering that he hardly improved at all as a sophomore. He has gone from a low usage player who was afraid to take 3s and couldn't make them to a low usage player who loves taking 3s and makes 50% of them. Duke cannot completely ignore him anymore. Nairn plays a major role in Michigan State's turnover woes, with a catastrophic 32% turnover rate to go with his excellent 34% assist rate.

SG Eron Harris, 6-3 195lb, senior
Harris is usually Michigan State's second option behind Bridges, at 27% usage. He's more efficient than Bridges and generally has stats that are similar to his team's stats as a whole - likes shooting 3s, good at shooting 3s, commits too many turnovers.

SF Matt McQuaid, 6-5 185lb, sophomore
Designated 3pt shooter. Probably white. 81% 3pt attempt rate, 40% 3pt accuracy.

PF Bridges

C Nick Ward, 6-8 250lb, freshman
Ward was the #41 overall recruit on the 247sports composite rankings. He's the classic big man who makes a massive impact on the game when he's on the court, but he has trouble staying on the court due to foul trouble and perhaps stamina issues. He has only played 16 minutes per game over Michigan State's first seven games. Per 40 minutes, Ward averages 26 points, 15 rebounds and 4.0 blocks, but also 6.8 fouls. He shoots 56% from the field (all 2pt) and 60% from the line. His rebounding rates are excellent, at 16% offensive and 24% defensive. His block rate is a tremendous 9.1%. If Ward can stay on the court for close to 30 minutes and maintain the same level of play, Michigan State can win at Duke. If Duke gets Ward into foul trouble early, Michigan State has no realistic chance of winning at Duke. It would be nice if Duke had multiple long, athletic, NBA-caliber big men to throw at Ward, but Duke is not willing to play such players.


Maine - who cares?

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Watching Matt Jones drive for missed layups against the #330 team on kenpom will be rock bottom in the lives of many Duke fans.


Florida (at New York) - Tuesday, December 6, 9:30pm ET, ESPN (Jimmy V Classic)

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Florida is expected to be Duke's second-toughest test in the non-conference schedule. Florida is #15 overall on kenpom, with an elite defense (#8) but a lesser offense (#35). They have a 5-point win over #42 Seton Hall and a 5-point loss to #16 Gonzaga, each on a neutral court.

If we were to search the high major conferences for a good team that is as different from Michigan State as possible, Florida might be the team we arrive at. They get to the line (#62 FT attempt rate, 45%) and make their free throws (#36 FT%, 77%). They hate taking 3s (#235 3pt attempt rate, 34%) and don't make many of them (#300 3pt%, 29%). They protect the ball (#35 offensive turnover rate, 14%) and force lots of turnovers (#33 defensive turnover rate, 21%). The contrast of playing Michigan State and Florida within such a short time period would be a fantastic experience for freshmen who are expected to contribute to Duke's NCAA Tournament run, when Duke is likely to run into several contrasts in styles within a short period of time. It's unfortunate that playing basketball for Duke is not important enough for Duke's most talented freshmen to be willing to play in these games and gain this experience.

Additionally, Florida is going to be a great test on the defensive boards for Duke, as they rebound 37% of their own misses, good for #26 in the country. Given Florida's heavy skew toward drawing fouls and away from taking 3s, and ability to avoid turnovers and grab offensive boards, this is exactly the kind of team to exploit Duke's usual high pressure, no-3s, man-to-man defense.

Florida' best player and best NBA prospect is 6-8 178lb junior forward Devin Robinson (pictured above, either dunking or blocking an awkward shot). He's projected to go in the mid-2nd round of this year's draft. He does a little bit of everything and does it all pretty well. He has gradually improved his shooting from everywhere and is now hyper-efficient (139 offensive rating on 19% usage), shooting 66% from 2, 36% from 3 and 90% from the line.

Here's what Florida's best lineup is expected to look like:

PG Kasey Hill, 6-1 182lb, senior
Hill was one of the most heavily hyped point guards in his class, but he never panned out offensively. He has shown no signs of flipping the switch this season, as his offensive numbers are worse than ever. As long as the ball is in Hill's hands, Duke's defense is doing a good job.

SG KeVaughn Allen, 6-2 183lb, sophomore
Allen sucks up a lot of possessions (26% usage) without great justification (107 offensive rating). Give him some room to shoot 3s (29% 3pt this season, 31% 3pt career) if it becomes a choice between that or sending him to the line (100% FT this season, 86% career).

SF Canyon Barry, 6-6 205lb, senior
Barry is a graduate transfer from College of Charleston. He is accustomed to having a massive usage (35% usage last season), and it has carried over somewhat to his career at Florida so far (25% usage this season). He's the embodiment of Florida's overall team stats - an assassin when he gets to the rim but not good from 3. Barry this season is shooting a spectacular-for-his-size 72% at the rim, drawing fouls like crazy (54% FT attempt rate, but this is far above his career average) and shooting 84% from the line. He has been cold this season from 3 (28% 3pt) but he has been decent over his career from 3 (34% 3pt).

PF Robinson

C John Egbunu, 6-11 266lb, junior
Giant who does mediocre giant things. Blocks shots (8.8% block rate) and rebounds (17% offensive rebounding rate, 20% defensive rebounding rate).


The number that really matters at the end of this stretch of games is 0. That's the number of games Marques Bolden, Harry Giles and Jayson Tatum will have participated in, with about one-third of the season down the drain.
 
Just want to see Vrank continue to develop over this 3-game stretch, don't really care about the W's and L's
 
How is MSU's overall rebounding? Sounds like it should be decent, given Izzo's propensity for rebounding and the quality of their two front court players on that end. I am encouraged by how little overall size they have. Duke should be able to play four guards, assuming we have four guards left.

Florida sounds like a terrible, terrible matchup for us atm.
 
MSU's rebounding is meh. Bad offensive rebounding, above average defensive rebounding. The two bigs they were counting on to play most of the big man minutes, including former Duke recruiting legend Gavin Schilling, are out for a while with serious injuries.

Their other stud freshman, Joshua Langford, #20 overall, has been trash so far.

Due to players getting healthy and Langford improving, they're going to be another classic Izzo team that looks like one of the best teams heading into the NCAA Tournament and beats the clear best team, Virginia, in an early round, before losing to a team with a lot of talent. Clockwork.
 
Florida took care of future Duke-beater Miami today. It looks like Billyball is truly dead there, they attempted only 9 threes all game. Shotblocking and offensive rebounding look a little Oregon-like. I'll assume they are favorites on paper against the version of Duke that will be playing.
 
Gonna be so exciting when, after Duke suffers its 10th loss of the season in the ACCT semifinals and Grayson's toe has fully disintegrated, K announces in the postgame that the three freshmen are going to give it a go in the NCAAT.
 
Maine has dropped to #340 on kenpom, narrowly avoiding being one of the bottom 10 teams in the country. There must be some back story for why K scheduled this game.

I must have done the math wrong in guessing the spread earlier. Sagarin and Kenpom both have the spread in the mid to high 30s only. Disgusting if Duke can't build a 50+ point lead before the walk-ons take the floor for the final 8 minutes, though.

Considering K has not definitively ruled out Bolden/Giles/Tatum for Maine, I assume one or more of them might play.
 
There seems to be a fair amount of (probably baseless) chatter bubbling up that Maine is a possibility. I don't think K's postgame comments about the freshmen are worth a plug nickel either way, especially after he burned himself when he declared that everyone but Giles would be ready for the season opener.

I do, however, feel like he caught himself after the MSU game when he said "it's going to be awhile." The way he quickly drifted away from that thought, it kinda sounded to me like he immediately regretted using that phrase.
 
Extremely relevant stats for the Maine game:

In 2 minutes played this season, Brennan Besser has managed a negative 28.7 PER and negative 18.2 BPM. His defensive BPM of negative 3.7 is not too shabby - probably would've fit right in on the 2014 team - but he has had an unfortunate negative 14.4 offensive BPM.

Fascinatingly, Nick Pagliuca appears to be a mirror image of Besser as a basketball player. In 3 minutes played this season, Pagliuca has assembled a negative 28.0 PER and negative 25.0 BPM. Both Pagliuca and Besser have 3pt attempt rates of 100% and free throw attempt rates of 0%. Pagliuca, however, thinks of himself as more of a hero than Besser, as Pagliuca has racked up a bewildering 32% usage rate, compared with Besser's much less incredible but still incredible 24%. This is with zero turnovers between them this season, so the high usage is based purely on shot attempts. They also have zero assists combined.

When these guys take the floor, look out - they're bombing away and someone will pay the price.
 
This is why I picked Duke at the spread. With a team this bad, we can win by as much as we want. But I expect to be on pace for a 50+ win but have it all ruined by the last 10 minutes of terrible lineups.
 
Pags is the heir to the Celtics, he can do whatever the fuck he wants.
 
rome8180 said:
This is why I picked Duke at the spread. With a team this bad, we can win by as much as we want. But I expect to be on pace for a 50+ win but have it all ruined by the last 10 minutes of terrible lineups.

I love that people always killed K for "running up the score" despite the fact that he plays the shitheads so long at the end of games like this and ruins kenpom for this board.
 
bdotling said:
Pags is the heir to the Celtics, he can do whatever the **** he wants.

It seems like their have been 2 or 3 Pags run through the program - or that he has been here for a decade

I have this distinct memory of ESPN showing girls holding signs in Cameron saying 'Marry me Pags' and wondering why they wouldn't be pining for JJ until the commentator mentioned that he was the son of the Celtics owner.

Didn't one of the Heat's owners kids also do a stint as team manager/walk-on for Duke?
 
Niveklaen, you can turn off the profanity filter in your settings if you want. Up to you, of course.
 

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