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Yeah, the "trust" thing is baffling. There's always one, and usually only one, player who is "sub elite" who gets so much grace that it's inexplicable. Honestly, it makes the inequality of playing time that much more difficult to explain. Like, if you are obviously willing to play Matt Jones extended minutes during stretches where he was fucking shockingly awful, it undermines the whole process. It says, "if you are an elite recruit, I will play you no matter what. If you are the one guy that I irrationally trust who isn't an elite recruit, I will play you no matter what. If you are better than the one guy, but not elite, I won't play you no matter what"
It's weird.
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Is he the chunky one? Maybe he could be K's final Jiggy Hairston.
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With regard to Semi - I think your second paragraph captures what happened in that situation. He had some rough edges but was not able to get floor time even with all of that potential. His ball handling and willingness to play physical on D were a couple items that he had a hard time with early on.
Silent G was kind of caught in a numbers game on the wing IIRC.
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Yeah he is a big kid. Had a good season in 16/17
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I prefer the current approach. Get as much talent as possible.
This is really only the 3rd year we will have had multiple OAD guys. The first time, we won a national championship. Injuries destroyed last year.
Full-blown Kentucky model is what works if you get the right horses and ride them (IE Don't platoon)
I do not want to revisit 2002-2009 when we had an all-time great JJ Redick with not enough talent to help him win a championship. After he left, we had some brutal losses in the early rounds of the tournament.
2010 was lightning in a bottle with a very easy path, let's be real.
This is really only the 3rd year we will have had multiple OAD guys. The first time, we won a national championship. Injuries destroyed last year.
Full-blown Kentucky model is what works if you get the right horses and ride them (IE Don't platoon)
I do not want to revisit 2002-2009 when we had an all-time great JJ Redick with not enough talent to help him win a championship. After he left, we had some brutal losses in the early rounds of the tournament.
2010 was lightning in a bottle with a very easy path, let's be real.
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Whether he won a title or not, watching JJ was a treat. That guy poured his heart into the Duke program. Also had all time great Shelden Williams on that squad.
The team had some bad bounces in 2004 & 2006 IMO.
The team had some bad bounces in 2004 & 2006 IMO.
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2010 was the most difficult path per Pomeroy IIRC
I think that was discussed here and/or TDD a few years back
I think that was discussed here and/or TDD a few years back
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Look, i'm in the accumulate-as-much-talent-as-possible camp with you, for the most part, especially given the vicious cycle we're now in with it. But there's absolutely no need to disparage an upperclassmen laden team like 2010 that by March was playing like a well oiled machine and dominating opponents with relentless second chance offense and elite level defense. A team that played multiple top 10 opponents in their tourney run, including Baylor in Texas, and the title game literally less than three miles away from their opponents' campus.
What did last year's team do when they played a team in "their" arena? Curled up into a ball like pussies and gave up 65 second half points to an awful scoring team, which was more points than 2010 Duke gave up in 5/6 entire NCAAT GAMES.
What did last year's team do when they played a team in "their" arena? Curled up into a ball like pussies and gave up 65 second half points to an awful scoring team, which was more points than 2010 Duke gave up in 5/6 entire NCAAT GAMES.
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That's fair, and I appreciate that.
I don't view my comments as disparaging. I at least didn't intend that. "Lightning in a bottle" was meant to convey that it is unlikely to recruit that many quality guys who are going to stay 3-4 years like that team did. Scheyers and Nolan Smiths don't grow on trees, especially these days. You are much more likely to win a national championship with a team full of OAD studs like '12 Kentucky or '15 Duke.
The path comment is indefensible and fake news and I am ashamed I typed it. I will self-ban for a few days- just wanted to defend my "lightning in a bottle" comment.
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I will say I agree with one point you made; I don't think all the players on the 2010 team in this day and age would have stayed 3 and 4 years. I think Nolan, Singler, would surely have left early. Just like I believe Frank Jackson and Kennard would have been 3-4 year players back then. There's just too much money in the NBA now. It makes it harder because instead of just saying "recruit guys outside the top 15 so they'll stay 3-4 years" it's more like "recruit guys outside the top 30", at which point it's a lot harder to evaluate talent.
Also I wasn't being literal when I said you should be banned; that's just kind of a saying we've used here for years. Though I guess that could be lost on a relatively new poster. You'll find there are a few things sacrosanct on this board, namely the 2010 team, and Tyler Thornton.