DukeNukem05
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Based on this presentation of evidence, I don't know how a grand jury could indict there. Nevertheless, people will riot.
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SignUp Now!DukeNukem05 said:It's a shame that the vast majority of these protesters on TV won't hear these statements.
They called off school for Tuesday (yay, longer Thanksgiving break), so if that was the concern, they could've had early dismissal for the schools and urged businesses to close early, couldn't they?aiw said:They wanted everyone home from school and work
DukeNukem05 said:Based on this presentation of evidence, I don't know how a grand jury could indict there. Nevertheless, people will riot.
Exactly, the grand jury saw it for what it was. Good for them. Can you imagine how much worse it would have been if it went to trial and ended with a not guilty verdict?StopThePumpFakesShav said:DukeNukem05 said:Based on this presentation of evidence, I don't know how a grand jury could indict there. Nevertheless, people will riot.
If there was an indictment there was no possible path to a conviction (unless some smoking gun would have surfaced during trial).
Based on the George Zimmerman verdict, the reaction wouldn't have been as bad. In both the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown deaths, public outrage and the threat of protests turning violent were at their highest when it seemed like nothing was going to be done. Zimmerman's trial seemed to have had the effect of making people feel heard, at least.DukeNukem05 said:Exactly, the grand jury saw it for what it was. Good for them. Can you imagine how much worse it would have been if it went to trial and ended with a not guilty verdict?StopThePumpFakesShav said:DukeNukem05 said:Based on this presentation of evidence, I don't know how a grand jury could indict there. Nevertheless, people will riot.
If there was an indictment there was no possible path to a conviction (unless some smoking gun would have surfaced during trial).
I completely get what you're saying, Dattier. I don't mean to sound like an ignorant attorney with statements indicating there's no chance in hell the grand jury could find probable cause. What really spoke to me, though, was the blood splatter evidence in the car, gunshot residue on Brown's hand, and corroborating statements. The witnesses that stated something other than that account sounded extremely unreliable - not unlike what you currently see in the media on the side of protesters. People forming outrage and building it up beyond what the incident (not intending to belittle the death here..) may actually have been.Dattier said:Based on the George Zimmerman verdict, the reaction wouldn't have been as bad. In both the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown deaths, public outrage and the threat of protests turning violent were at their highest when it seemed like nothing was going to be done. Zimmerman's trial seemed to have had the effect of making people feel heard, at least.DukeNukem05 said:Exactly, the grand jury saw it for what it was. Good for them. Can you imagine how much worse it would have been if it went to trial and ended with a not guilty verdict?StopThePumpFakesShav said:DukeNukem05 said:Based on this presentation of evidence, I don't know how a grand jury could indict there. Nevertheless, people will riot.
If there was an indictment there was no possible path to a conviction (unless some smoking gun would have surfaced during trial).
It's not the grand jury's job to get or predict a conviction. They're not investing. It's not "Shark Tank." They are to determine probable cause. That's the lowest legal threshold out there. It's basically like asking, "Does something seem fishy here?"
Further, from what I understand, grand juries never hear this much info. This was a trial-level amount of info. And w/ only one side presenting it.
I thought someone on the Shark Tank pointed out that the National Bar Association is a black group. I don't think their opinion is without bias.Pantone287 said:So, separate from the issue of whether it would be better to have/not have an indictment, would you lawyer types agree that the prosecutor not pressing for one or framing the evidence to encourage one is extremely unusual?
The whole American Bar Association thing and all that seems to not be a great sign.