Re: UNC Basketball 2012-2013 Discussion Thread
Thorp looks like he put his hair on sideways in that pic.
I've assumed Paige would be UNC's PG ever since Marshall left. I have never been very impressed w/ Strickland. I haven't watched him all that closely, but he's just never stood out to me. Roy loves him, though, so if he's fully healthy, I have to imagine he'll start. Bullock and McAdoo will be improved, and starters. If Hubert is a viable candidate for them at the 5, I'm thrilled b/c it means no one else is any better. If you tell me that freshman center w/ all the Js in his name is the hands-down starter, I'm all paranoid about the second-coming of Hansbrough.
UNC is going to have a bench like they haven't had in a couple seasons.
Thorp looks like he put his hair on sideways in that pic.
I've assumed Paige would be UNC's PG ever since Marshall left. I have never been very impressed w/ Strickland. I haven't watched him all that closely, but he's just never stood out to me. Roy loves him, though, so if he's fully healthy, I have to imagine he'll start. Bullock and McAdoo will be improved, and starters. If Hubert is a viable candidate for them at the 5, I'm thrilled b/c it means no one else is any better. If you tell me that freshman center w/ all the Js in his name is the hands-down starter, I'm all paranoid about the second-coming of Hansbrough.
UNC is going to have a bench like they haven't had in a couple seasons.
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Sounds like Dan Kane is about to drop another article about some ish a current football player turned in.
Sounds like Dan Kane is about to drop another article about some ish a current football player turned in.
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Figured I might as well move this over here and keep blabbering, since there's not much else to talk about right now:
I mean, SO Cook (11mpg) was just named starter over JR Thornton (21 mpg) for us. I don't think it's inconceivable.
Re: summer, I know... I almost didn't mention it at all for that reason. That said, I don't think it's any more useless than scouting AAU games if you just look for stuff that's translatable. For example, I've never been impressed with Lezzie, even when he's scoring 35 points... he's not that quick, he's not an explosive finisher, he's not physical, and he only has one speed, which means layups he can cruise in for in pickup games against UNC-G guys will turn into weak double-pumps against real defenders. Hairston carrying Sulaimon on his hip through a 1-2 dribble move and finishing with a floater or dunk in traffic, OTOH, is more impressive.
As for the other guys, I just don't think McDonald and Strickland have the potential to be top offensive options. McDonald for the reasons above, Strickland because he's 6'2 and can't shoot or pass. Bullock is the only other guy I could see leading them in scoring besides McAdoo, but like Ellington/Green, I think he's more fit to be a role player at every level. He can shoot, and his size/strength makes him a good rebounder, defender and finisher for his position. He can't do much off the dribble though, and I can't see him as a guy you run your offense through.
So, that leaves TJ, who certainly won't hesitate to take charge if no one stops him. I'm hoping he leads the team with an inefficient 15 PPG.
Figured I might as well move this over here and keep blabbering, since there's not much else to talk about right now:
SeanMayTriedToEatMe said:
I mean, SO Cook (11mpg) was just named starter over JR Thornton (21 mpg) for us. I don't think it's inconceivable.
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Re: summer, I know... I almost didn't mention it at all for that reason. That said, I don't think it's any more useless than scouting AAU games if you just look for stuff that's translatable. For example, I've never been impressed with Lezzie, even when he's scoring 35 points... he's not that quick, he's not an explosive finisher, he's not physical, and he only has one speed, which means layups he can cruise in for in pickup games against UNC-G guys will turn into weak double-pumps against real defenders. Hairston carrying Sulaimon on his hip through a 1-2 dribble move and finishing with a floater or dunk in traffic, OTOH, is more impressive.
As for the other guys, I just don't think McDonald and Strickland have the potential to be top offensive options. McDonald for the reasons above, Strickland because he's 6'2 and can't shoot or pass. Bullock is the only other guy I could see leading them in scoring besides McAdoo, but like Ellington/Green, I think he's more fit to be a role player at every level. He can shoot, and his size/strength makes him a good rebounder, defender and finisher for his position. He can't do much off the dribble though, and I can't see him as a guy you run your offense through.
So, that leaves TJ, who certainly won't hesitate to take charge if no one stops him. I'm hoping he leads the team with an inefficient 15 PPG.
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Nah, just Tokoto. Who was, as expected, an absolutely terrifying athlete if he got within 10 feet of the rim and fairly useless otherwise. I almost wonder if they'll use him as a Danny Green style PF when he gets older and realizes he's not Tracy McGrady.
Nah, just Tokoto. Who was, as expected, an absolutely terrifying athlete if he got within 10 feet of the rim and fairly useless otherwise. I almost wonder if they'll use him as a Danny Green style PF when he gets older and realizes he's not Tracy McGrady.
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Cook had every peripheral stat in his favor over Thornton offensively last season, so that's not really an analogous situation. That's a matter of a guy just needing to understand defense is a part of basketball to please a coach who values team defense over all else. Hairston is a 30% shooter whose strongest attribute coming into college was allegedly being able to shoot. It's much different for him to be UNC's alpha over Bullock this season.
Cook had every peripheral stat in his favor over Thornton offensively last season, so that's not really an analogous situation. That's a matter of a guy just needing to understand defense is a part of basketball to please a coach who values team defense over all else. Hairston is a 30% shooter whose strongest attribute coming into college was allegedly being able to shoot. It's much different for him to be UNC's alpha over Bullock this season.
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Regardless, if a guy who is capable of shooting 31% over a full season will be UNC's best player the following season, as Duke fans, I think we are going to be pleased with the rivalry this season.
Duke fans:
See a freshman UNC guard who shot 31% and a freshman UNC big man who shot 43%.
Pray for a series split when they're UNC's leading scorers as sophomores.
Regardless, if a guy who is capable of shooting 31% over a full season will be UNC's best player the following season, as Duke fans, I think we are going to be pleased with the rivalry this season.
Duke fans:
See a freshman UNC guard who shot 31% and a freshman UNC big man who shot 43%.
Pray for a series split when they're UNC's leading scorers as sophomores.
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Remember that year that UNC team that should have statistically finished about ~11-5 in the ACC finished 14-2 because of a few statistical fluke games with fluke comebacks that happened to fall into their favor more often than not an absurd amount of times? Followed by an elite eight run where instead of playing 'Cuse in the sweet 16 they ended up playing a double digit seed? Also coincided with the year that our point guard, the best basketball player in the world under 21, happen to miss 80% of the season.
That is my kind of fear this season. That a UNC squad that should statistically finish around 8-8 to 9-7 or whatever ends up with some kind of weird flukey 12-4 or 13-3 record because of nothing more than finishing on the far right side of the bell curve again.
Remember that year that UNC team that should have statistically finished about ~11-5 in the ACC finished 14-2 because of a few statistical fluke games with fluke comebacks that happened to fall into their favor more often than not an absurd amount of times? Followed by an elite eight run where instead of playing 'Cuse in the sweet 16 they ended up playing a double digit seed? Also coincided with the year that our point guard, the best basketball player in the world under 21, happen to miss 80% of the season.
That is my kind of fear this season. That a UNC squad that should statistically finish around 8-8 to 9-7 or whatever ends up with some kind of weird flukey 12-4 or 13-3 record because of nothing more than finishing on the far right side of the bell curve again.
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I think it just goes back to being gunshy and thinking about that 2011 year they statistically probably finished in the 97th% percentile of expected outcomes based on their actual talent and experience that season.
1st team all-acc caliber players from UNC since Roy has been there:
Henson
Zeller
Barnes
Hansbrough
Lawson
May
Felton
That's it. Is Hairston, a guy who will probably have to at least split 15 minutes at the spot with McDonald, going to join that caliber of player listed above in his sophomore year with a freshmen scoring PG and zero post guys to command double teams? It just doesn't pass the eye test in my opinion.
Sophomore year Ed Davis, which I think is McAdoo's ceiling this year, put up 13 and 10 and didn't even get third team. Unless UNC finishes 1st somehow I just can't see any of their guys getting freakin' first team.
SeanMayTriedToEatMe said:
I think it just goes back to being gunshy and thinking about that 2011 year they statistically probably finished in the 97th% percentile of expected outcomes based on their actual talent and experience that season.
1st team all-acc caliber players from UNC since Roy has been there:
Henson
Zeller
Barnes
Hansbrough
Lawson
May
Felton
That's it. Is Hairston, a guy who will probably have to at least split 15 minutes at the spot with McDonald, going to join that caliber of player listed above in his sophomore year with a freshmen scoring PG and zero post guys to command double teams? It just doesn't pass the eye test in my opinion.
Sophomore year Ed Davis, which I think is McAdoo's ceiling this year, put up 13 and 10 and didn't even get third team. Unless UNC finishes 1st somehow I just can't see any of their guys getting freakin' first team.
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Well this isn't a national title year or even a Final Four year for UNC, realistically, so there's nothing to lose from a Duke fan perspective with McAdoo breaking out just enough for an NBA team to take a chance on him in the top 10. Ideally, McAdoo breaks into the top 10 by showing occasional flashes of potential, Bullock and Hairston break into the 20-30 range to assure themselves a contract, UNC fails to win the ACC Tournament or make it past the Elite Eight, and we get a supershitty UNC team next season. That's all very much in play this season.
Well this isn't a national title year or even a Final Four year for UNC, realistically, so there's nothing to lose from a Duke fan perspective with McAdoo breaking out just enough for an NBA team to take a chance on him in the top 10. Ideally, McAdoo breaks into the top 10 by showing occasional flashes of potential, Bullock and Hairston break into the 20-30 range to assure themselves a contract, UNC fails to win the ACC Tournament or make it past the Elite Eight, and we get a supershitty UNC team next season. That's all very much in play this season.